Is God Disingenuous? (3)

Part Two

I said at the end of the last post that we would be thinking about what God thinks of those who enter into covenants and fail to perform the words of those covenants.  But I find am going to put that subject off until next time, until I am satisfied that I have driven home my point about the disingenuous god whose word is something of a mask; a mask behind which this god’s real intentions lurk.  I do not believe in this god.  I believe that God means what He says!  I trust such a God.  I believe what He graciously promises me in the Gospel.  But I don’t see how I can trust a god who misled thousands of pious Jews (and Christians) into believing the plain-sense of his words and then “fulfilled” them entirely differently.  If he can do that to others, he can do it to me.

1. When we posit a god who uses words which lead people to believe he means one thing, when, in reality, he means something very different to what those words would naturally convey, we are dealing squarely with a god who equivocates.  This was illustrated in the last post, but let’s have another example, just to show how pervasive this characteristic would be if supercessionism were true.  This one concerns the well known incident that happened at Baal-Peor in Numbers 25:6-13

The promise is most explicit.  Furthermore, Psalm 106:28-31 is evidence that God was taken at His Word hundreds of years after the original oath was taken.  We should not miss this: one OT author interpreting another OT author literally.  We implied three more instances of this in our last post when in commenting on the promises within Jeremiah 33:14-26, we observed that the Davidic covenant is expressly quoted, the Levite priests (probably Zadokites) will offer to the Lord continually, and God’s intention to fulfill these promises to the letter is on the same level as His intent to uphold creation.

So what is God doing in these passages?  Well, either the Lord is continuing the charade, or He means exactly what He says.  Those are the choices, like it or lump it.

Have a look at Psalm 106:10-12.  Notice that the people who experienced the deliverance at the Red Sea “believed His word” when they saw what God did.  They may have had their doubts before the waters started doing strange things and the dry ground, which had been the Sea floor minutes before, appeared.  But now they knew that God literally meant what He said and they believed Him.  God is glorified when His people believe Him!  He wants us to have faith in His Word.  Quite how that is possible if, as supercessionists say, His words are filled with double-meanings, is anyone’s guess.

2. When I write my posts I want to use words which convey a particular thought-content to the people who read my posts.  I do not want to use words that would likely lead my reader(s) to a conclusion that I myself am not driving at.  If I wanted to say one thing and mean another it would be quite easy for me to do it.  But why would I do it?  And if what I was writing was a promise to a named person or group; – nay, a covenant oath – what would possess me to use words which I knew would make them think something other than what I had in mind?  Why would I equivocate?

Recently on X (Twitter) I had a back and forth with a Reformed Baptist and I referred him to the words of Psa. 106:6-11 (see below) and Jeremiah 33:14-26. He would not interact with these passages despite being challenged on them several times. He simply kept repeating that he believed them in their context literally and that God does not change His oaths. Bye and by though he began to say that the land of Canaan, which Psa. 105 declares to be given to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (i.e. physical descendants) forever was expanded to mean the whole earth given to the mainly Gentile Church. But Gentiles are never is Scripture related to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob – Jews are!

He wrote,

“By true Israel I mean what Jesus says in John 8:39. What Paul teaches in Romans 9 & Galatians. What Peter teaches in 1 Peter 2:9. Etc. By Canaan I’m thinking places like Isaiah 66:22-24 etc. Yes, there is a spiritual aspect to Canaan too. Similar to the temple God is building.”

John 8:39 is addressed to Jews who rejected Jesus (as opposed to true Jews who would believe Him cf. Rom. 9:6). This individual was trying to make it apply to Gentile believers. In Rom. 9:1-5 Paul tells us he is speaking of Israel. 1 Pet. 2:9 is written to believing Jews. Galatians refers to unbelieving Jews and believing Jews as well as Gentiles. Since no explanation of “Galatians” is given the point is moot (although we all know what this person will do with Gal. 6:16). Isa. 66:22-24 is about the new heavens and earth, which would not abrogate the land grant to Israel, being addressed to Israel.

The question lingers, why didn’t his individual interact with Psa. 105 or Jer. 33? Why did he equivocate on “Canaan” and “Levites” and “Israel”? Answer: because deep down he believes that God Himself equivocates on those things! In other words, he proved my point.

When I asked him if God meant what He swore in Jer. 33:14-26 I got this reply:

Read Jer. 33:14-26 carefully to see exactly what God SAYS. He cites no less than five covenants in the passage, and this brother believes he can void those words with three words: “so much more.” Those words substitute God’s sworn oaths with personal opinion.

Psa. 106: 13 swears that Phinehas will have physical descendants (that was the context) who will have “an everlasting priesthood” before Yahweh. But I know that Reformed Baptists, being covenant theologians, do not believe that. The best they can do is spiritualize it and apply it to Christians. But God didn’t make the oath to Christians! Was God prevaricating? Was the Psalmist wrong to take God’s promise to Phinehas literally? Can God be trusted to mean what He says when he swears an oath? Therefore, this brother said he believed Psa, 105:6-11 in its context he really meant he believed it in the context of Rom. 4:13! He meant that any explicit promise has to be interpreted against the context of the whole of Scripture. Ergo, he was being disingenuous. This maneuver allows anyone to ignore the words of any covenant God makes if it does not agree with their understanding of the whole Bible. But wait, how can we know our understanding of the totality of Scripture is right if we won’t believe what God says in any specific context? And how could anyone in the OT know what God meant if God is in the habit of “expanding” (read “altering”) His oaths hundreds of years after those saints were dead? And how could anyone before the general availability of the NT (many many years after the Apostles were dead) have any chance in understanding God’s words without a NT? And who is to say that God will not write a third Testament that will alter His supposed meaning yet again?

This “God,” whose very nature is to equivocate, is, it seems to me, a theological and philosophical quandary of colossal proportions.  Theologically, it introduces a new and unwelcome element into the attributes of Deity.  This element, as we have shown, is the attribute of equivocating communication.  Or, more simply, “Equivocation.”  An attribute that throws all the others into suspicion.  This is the god who leads people to believe one thing when he doesn’t really intend to stick to the words he utters.  This is the god who promises things in the plainest possible terms in the Old Testament, only to either alter or repeal them in the New Testament.  If anyone knows a way out of this dilemma, let them have at it.

So what do we do with a passage like Psalm 105:6-11, which declares,

Verse 6 is included to show to whom the covenant LORD is speaking.  It is to “Jacob” (Israel).  God has made a covenant with them.  Which covenant are we given to understand it is?  No problem, it is the Abrahamic Covenant, confirmed to both Isaac and Jacob (vv. 9-10).  How long will this covenant last?  God remembers it “forever,” “for a thousand generations,” and it is called “an everlasting covenant” (vv. 8 & 10).  What, in particular, does the Psalmist emphasize about this covenant?  Despite replacement theologians’ complaints that the land is not a major part of this covenant, we are told that God will give Israel “the land of Canaan” for an inheritance (v.11).

Okay, but what if God meant something other than “Israel” and “the land of Canaan” when He had this Psalm recorded?  What if the word, which “is right” and “done in truth” (Psa. 33:4), does not mean what it appeared to mean to the Psalmist?  What if the Word (Christ) Who gave the Word (Scripture) has a prevaricating character?  (I do not say He does, but I am examining the fallout of supercessionist claims).  If the NT will be given to reinterpret these covenant oaths of God so that their meaning is transformed (a view never directly taught in the NT), surely this impugns the character of biblical truth?  Just what IS “truth” when the one who speaks it is proved to equivocate with such alarming frequency?

3. I have never come across an unbeliever arguing this line against God and the Bible, but if I were one I would be all over it!  Christians place themselves on the horns of this dilemma by talking of typological and symbolic interpretations of these passages, or by claiming that the NT is necessary to interpret the Old.  This demotes the OT to a subservient level to the NT.  But it also leads those who entertain it to embrace double-speak: Now God means what He says, now He is speaking in typological riddles; God has not replaced Israel with the Church, yet the Church is the “New Israel”; the Abrahamic Covenant is unconditional, yet Israel failed to keep the conditions; this covenant promises Israel a literal geo-political kingdom on earth, but not really.  It goes on and on depending on which prophetic passage is under discussion.     

As God is the Author of language, and the Bible is a revelation, not an obfuscation, we may confidently suppose that God’s words to us are characterized by the same intentions.  That is how I can be sure that when God spoke of  “my witnesses” in Isaiah 44:8-9 He did not have in mind a bunch of cult members from the Watchtower organization.  Come to think of it, if a plain-sense is rejected, who’s to say He didn’t?

PART FOUR

3 comments On Is God Disingenuous? (3)

  • I not arguing on behalf of your subjects in this post. I am a believer in a future Millennial reign, and earthly nation Israel whom the bride will rule over with Christ. But you say: “But Gentiles are never i[n] Scripture related to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob – Jews are!” I find this to be questionable. Elijah seems to have been a gentile (the Tishbite), Ruth, Rahab, Likely Caleb. We are also adopted sons. It would also seem that Israel will be married to Christ her redeemer as this relationship is described in Isa 54. Israel is most assuredly the widowed one resulting from The death of her Messiah in the previous chapter 53. If she is widowed and to once again as promised here to be married to her redeemer then surely we are one with her in Christ.

  • Our beloved reluctant dispensationalist at his best. Clarity and unanswerable logic. Bravo!

    • Agree. And the attempted responses to him on X only reveal how entrenched CT is over and above God’s word.

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